Taken from a Relief Society lesson I delievered on Easter morning (3.31.13)
The Atonement
I
wanted to make it clear how personal the Atonement is, how uniquely suited to
individual needs, inadequacies, and struggles. I could talk forever about how
Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the whole human family, but until I
understand that Jesus Christ atoned for ME, I don’t begin to understand the
Atonement. I want each of you sisters to know that He loves each one of you every
bit as much as He loved the children, women and men of his time and place, and
that just as He ministered to them one by one, so He does to us. MY name is
graven on His hands. And yours is, too.
We access the Atonement through
repentance. When we repent, the Lord allows us to put the mistakes of the past
behind us.
“Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and
I, the Lord, remember them no more.
“By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins―behold, he will
confess them and forsake them.”
Each of us knows a person who has
had serious challenges in his or her life―someone who has wandered or wavered.
That person could be a friend or relative, a parent or child, a husband or
wife. That person may even be you.
The miracle of the Atonement is for
all – every person – even every child of God.
The plan of salvation could not be
brought about without an atonement. “Therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about
the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a
perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.”
The atoning sacrifice had to be
carried out by the sinless Son of God, for fallen man could not atone for his
own sins. The Atonement had to be infinite and eternal―to cover all men
throughout all eternity.
Among all the facts of mortality,
none is so certain as its end. Death comes to all. It is our “universal heritage” It may come in infancy or youth or in the
prime of one’s life or even as the effects of age have come to rest upon one’s
head. No matter the cause of death, it
inevitably represents a painful loss of association and, particularly in the
young, a crushing blow to dreams unrealized, ambitions unfulfilled, and hopes
vanquished.
What mortal being, faced with the
loss of a loved one or, indeed, standing himself or herself on the threshold of
infinity, has not pondered what lies beyond the veil?
Centuries ago, Job who had been blessed
with every material gift, only to find himself sorely afflicted by all that can
befall a human being, sat with his companions and asked the timeless question,
“If a man die, shall he live again?”
Job spoke what every other living
man or woman has pondered.
This glorious Easter morning I’d
like to consider Job’s question—“If a man die, shall he live again?”
To understand the meaning of death,
we must appreciate the purpose of life. We know that we lived before our birth
into mortality. In our premortal state, we were doubtless among the sons and daughters of God who shouted for joy
because of the opportunity to come to this challenging yet necessary mortal
existence. We knew that our
purpose was to gain a physical body, to overcome trials, and to prove that we
would keep the commandments of God. Our Father knew that because of the nature
of mortality, we would be tempted, would sin, and we would fall short. So that we might have every chance of
success, He provided a Savior, who would suffer and die for us. Not only
would He atone for our sins, but as a part of that Atonement, He would also
overcome the physical death to which we would be subject because of the Fall of
Adam.
Thus, more than 2,000 years ago,
Christ, our Savior, was born to mortal life in a stable in Bethlehem. The
long-foretold Messiah had come.
No mere mortal can conceive the full
import of what Christ did for us in Gethsemane. He Himself later described the
experience: “[The] suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to
tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body
and spirit.”
CHRIST’S
JOURNEY TO HIS DEATH
Let us now learn of the loneliest
journey ever made and the unending blessings it brought to all in the human
family. I speak of the Savior’s solitary task of shouldering alone the burden
of our salvation.
We know from scripture that Jesus’
arrival in Jerusalem on the Sunday preceding Passover was a great public
moment. But eagerness to continue walking with Him would quickly begin to wane.
This was a telling time among those
who knew Jesus more personally. The most difficult to understand in this group
is Judas Iscariot. We know the divine plan required Jesus to be crucified, but
it is wrenching to think that one of His special witnesses who sat at His feet,
heard Him pray, watched Him heal, and felt His touch could betray Him and all
that He was for 30 pieces of silver. We are not the ones to judge Judas’s fate,
but Jesus said of His betrayer, “Good
[were it] for that man if he had not been born.”
Of course others among the believers
had their difficult moments as well. Following the Last Supper, Jesus left
Peter, James, and John to wait while He ventured into the Garden of Gethsemane
alone. Falling on His face in prayer, “sorrowful … unto death,” the
record says, His sweat came as great drops of blood as He pled with
the Father to let this crushing, brutal cup pass from Him. But, of course, it
could not pass. Returning from such anguished prayer, He found His three chief
disciples asleep, prompting Him to ask, “Could ye not watch with me one hour?”
So it happens two more times until
on His third return He says compassionately, “Sleep on now, and take your
rest,” though there would be no rest for Him.
Later, after Jesus’s arrest and
appearance at trial, Peter, accused of knowing Jesus and being one of His
confidants, denies that accusation not once but three times. We don’t know all
that was going on here, nor do we know of protective counsel which the Savior
may have given to His Apostles privately, but we do know Jesus was
aware that even these precious ones would not stand with Him in the end, and He
had warned Peter accordingly. Then, with the crowing of the cock,
“the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the
Lord. … And [he] went out, and wept bitterly.”
Thus, of divine necessity, the
supporting circle around Jesus gets smaller and smaller and smaller, giving
significance to Matthew’s words: “All the disciples [left] him, and fled.”
Peter stayed near enough to be
recognized and confronted. John stood at the foot of the cross with Jesus’s
mother. Especially and always the blessed women in the Savior’s life stayed as
close to Him as they could. But essentially His lonely journey back to His
Father continued without comfort or companionship.
Following the agony of Gethsemane,
now drained of strength, He was seized by rough, crude hands and taken before
Annas, Caiaphas, Pilate, and Herod. He was accused and cursed. Vicious blows
further weakened His pain-racked body. Blood ran down His face as a cruel crown
fashioned of sharp thorns was forced onto His head, piercing His brow. And then
once again He was taken to Pilate, who gave in to the cries of the angry mob:
“Crucify him, crucify him.”
He was scourged with a whip into
whose multiple leather strands sharp metals and bones were woven. Rising from
the cruelty of the scourge, with stumbling steps He carried His own cross until
He could go no farther and another shouldered the burden for Him.
Finally, on a hill called Calvary,
while helpless followers looked on, His wounded body was nailed to a cross.
Mercilessly He was mocked and cursed and derided. And yet He cried out,
“Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”
It is important to understand that the majority of the
Atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane, however it was sealed on the
cross at Calvary.
Now I speak very carefully, even
reverently, of what may have been the most difficult moment in all of this
solitary journey to Atonement. I speak of those final moments for which Jesus
must have been prepared intellectually and physically but which He may not have
fully anticipated emotionally and spiritually—that concluding descent into the
paralyzing despair of divine withdrawal when He cries in ultimate
loneliness, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
With all the conviction of my soul I
add my testimony to the apostles that a
perfect Father did not forsake His Son in that hour. Indeed,
it is my personal belief that in all of Christ’s mortal ministry the Father may
never have been closer to His Son than in these agonizing final moments of
suffering. Nevertheless, so that the supreme sacrifice of His Son might be
as complete as it was voluntary and solitary, the Father briefly withdrew
from Jesus the comfort of His Spirit, the support of His personal presence. It was required. It was central to the significance of the
Atonement, that
this perfect Son who had never spoken ill nor done wrong nor touched an unclean
thing had to know how the rest of humankind—us, all of us—would feel when
we did commit such sins. For His Atonement to be infinite and
eternal, He
had to feel what it was like to die not only physically but spiritually, to
sense what it was like to have the divine Spirit withdraw, leaving one feeling
totally, abjectly, hopelessly alone.
But Jesus held on. He pressed on.
The goodness in Him allowed faith to triumph even in a state of complete
anguish. The trust He lived by told Him in spite of His feelings that divine
compassion is never absent, that God is always faithful, that He never flees
nor fails us. When the utmost price had then been paid, when Christ’s
determination to be faithful was obvious and invincible, finally and
mercifully, it was “finished.” Against
all odds and with none to help or uphold Him, Jesus of Nazareth, the living Son
of the living God, restored physical life over death. With
faith in the God He knew was there, He could say in triumph, “Father,
into thy hands I commend my spirit.”
This
song has always helped me to comprehend better the depth of Christ's
sacrifice and I feel the Spirit each time I listen to it.
DEPTH OF THE ATONEMENT
Not only did He pay the price for
the sins of all men, but He also took “upon him the pains and the sicknesses of
his people.” And He took “upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be
filled with mercy, … that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his
people according to their infirmities.”
The Savior felt the weight of the
anguish of all mankind―the anguish of sin and of sorrow. “Surely he has borne
our griefs, and carried our sorrows.”
Through His Atonement, He heals not
only the transgressor, but He also heals the innocent who suffer because of
those transgressions. As the innocent exercise faith in the Savior and in His
Atonement and forgive the transgressor, they too can be healed.
There are times when each of us
needs “relief from feelings of guilt that come from mistakes and sins.” As we
repent, the Savior removes the guilt from our souls.
Through His atoning sacrifice, our
sins are remitted. With the exception of sons of perdition, the Atonement is
available to everyone all the time, no matter how large or small the sin, “on
conditions of repentance.”
Because of His infinite love, Jesus
Christ invites us to repent so that we will not have to suffer the full weight
of our own sins:
“Repent—repent, lest … your sufferings be
sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear
you know not.
“For behold, I, God, have suffered these things
for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;
“But if they would not repent they must suffer
even as I;
“Which suffering caused myself, even God, the
greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to
suffer both body and spirit.”
When we sin, Satan tells us we are
lost. In contrast, our Redeemer offers redemption to all—no matter what we have
done wrong—even to you and to me.
As you consider your own life, are
there things that you need to change? Have you made mistakes that still need to
be corrected?
If you are suffering from feelings
of guilt or remorse, bitterness or anger, or loss of faith, I invite you to
seek relief. Repent and forsake your sins. Then, in prayer, ask God for forgiveness.
Seek forgiveness from those you have wronged. Forgive those who have wronged
you. Forgive yourself.
HIS RESURRECTION
At the last moment, the Master could
have turned back. But He did not. He passed beneath all things that He might
save all things. His lifeless body was hurriedly but gently placed in a
borrowed tomb.
Now some of the greatest words ever
uttered in all of our mortal humanity are those spoken by the angel to the
weeping Mary Magdalene and the other Mary when, on the first day of the week,
they approached the tomb to care for the body of their Lord. Spoke the angel:
“Why seek ye the living
among the dead?
“He is not here, but is risen.”
“He is not here, but is risen.”
Our Savior lived again. The most
glorious, comforting, and reassuring of all events of human history had taken
place—the victory over death. The pain and agony of Gethsemane and Calvary had
been wiped away. The salvation of mankind had been secured. His
atonement in Gethsemane, his death upon the cross AND his resurrection after death
now make eternal life possible for all of us.
The empty tomb that first Easter
morning was the answer to Job’s question, “If a man die, shall he live again?”
The answer is “Yes! He shall live
again!” “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
MEANING OF IT ALL
Sisters, one of the great
consolations of this Easter season is that because Jesus walked such a long,
lonely path utterly alone, we do not have to do so. His solitary journey
brought great company for our pathways in life—the merciful care of our Father
in Heaven, the unfailing companionship of this Beloved Son, the consummate gift
of the Holy Ghost, angels in heaven, family
members on both sides of the veil, prophets and apostles, teachers, leaders,
friends. All of these and more have been given as companions for our mortal
journey because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the Restoration of His
gospel. Trumpeted from the summit of Calvary is the truth that we will never be
left alone nor unaided, even if sometimes we may feel that we are. Truly the
Redeemer of us all said: “I will not leave you comfortless: [My Father and] I
will come to you [and abide with you].”
As we are made clean through the
power of His Atonement, the Savior becomes our advocate with the Father. And this is where it made sense to me, as I
pictured the Savior standing at the throne of our Father in Heaven, referring
to me, pleading:
“Father, behold the
sufferings and death of him who did no sin, in whom thou wast well pleased;
behold the blood of thy Son which was shed, the blood of him whom thou gavest
that thyself might be glorified;
“Wherefore, Father, spare
[Shayla] that believe[s] on my name, that [she] may come unto me and have
everlasting life.”
When I add in my own name here, then
I become aware of the power of the Atonement for ME!
Each of us has been given the gift
of moral agency. “Men are free … to choose liberty and eternal life, through
the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to
the … power of the devil.”
Choose liberty. Choose eternal life. Choose to repent and give meaning to our
Savior’s sacrifice. We are not alone.
This Easter week and always, may we stand by Jesus Christ
“at all times and in all things, and in all places that [we] may be in, even
until death,” for surely that is how He stood by us when it was
unto death and when He had to stand entirely and utterly alone.
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Thank you for sharing your lesson on your blog. I felt like I was there with you as you taught. I teach the children, so I don't get to hear the lessons given to the sisters. You reminded my heart of His simple truths. You expressed beautifully the depth of Christ's love. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteInteresting commentary on what you personally believe about Christ's atonement. A comparative look on what your belief is and what the truth of the Bible says based on your belief from you own words, "It is important to understand that the majority of the Atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane, however it was sealed on the cross at Calvary." The statement that the "majority of the atonement occur in the garden" – is inaccurate (based on what the Bible says). NONE of the atonement occurred in the garden. Your personal beliefs are in contradiction to the Bible (the Bible being God’s word, so you are contradicting God’s word). To say atonement took place in the garden is certainly reading something into Bible, which is not there. Mormon doctrine points to the sweating of "great drops of blood," as having a part in the atonement. The New Testament says nothing about this phenomenon having a part in the atonement. If you can tell me where in the Bible it says this please let me know as I don't see it written. The expiation of sin was not based on the Christ's perspiration, it was based on the fact that Christ died. Your belief that Christ atoned for sins by sweating blood? Christ's atonement for the sins of man was accomplished in his DEATH on the cross, not his short time spent in the garden.
ReplyDelete“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”—1 Corinthians 1:18
Where did Jesus carry our sins? Was it in the Garden of Gethsemane or on the Cross? You say the garden. God word says: “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree…”—1 Peter 2:24
Which “blood” reconciles us? Is it the “blood” of the Garden or the “blood of the cross”? You say the garden. God's word says: “And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself.” —Colossians 1:20
Cristee, thanks for taking the time to read. To be clear, the commentary on sweating the "great drops of blood" is to demonstrate to all of us the magnitude of the Savior's suffering in taking upon himself the weight of all of our sins. Without his experience in the Garden of Gethsemane, the Atonement would not be full and complete. Yes, his death was the pinnacle aspect of the Atonement, but there is great importance and meaning in the hours he spent suffering for our sins - feeling all of the pain of sin, infirmities and dissapointments - because this is how we can KNOW that He understands all of our sadness and disappointment and thus our pathway to repentence can be more committed.
DeleteAs for where it says these things, I will share some links that I find helpful.
Check back soon...
I would like to see some links that back up your thoughts that any part of the atonement took place in the garden.
ReplyDeleteFor my part I have already investigated Mormon points of view on this so I could add your links to the knowledge I have already gained from my own research on what your church believes on Christ’s atonement.
From your own prophets mouth: “On page fourteen of his book, "Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson," the thirteenth president of the LDS Church stated it was in the Garden of Gethsemane that Christ "suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs, carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah prophesied." He further stated on that same page: "“IT WAS IN GETHSEMANE THAT JESUS TOOK ON HIMSELF THE SINS OF THE WORLD, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him" (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).
This statement from Benson says, ALL of the atonement for the sins of the world took place in the garden. In reality and from a biblical perspective ALL the atonement for sin happened on the cross. Read the gospel accounts in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and you will see for yourself that NO WHERE does it say it happened in the garden.
I’m not sure your comment to me lines with your initial blog post or to what your prophet has said. Do you believe what your prophet says about the garden? Your words said it was to “demonstrate to all of us the magnitude of the Savior's suffering in taking upon himself the weight of all of our sins.” Which is different from your prophet’s words of what happened in the garden by saying, “took on himself the sins of the world”? So is sweating drops of blood in the garden a DEMONSTRATION of suffering, or is it ACTUAL suffering for the sins of the world”?
Here is another example of your church members saying Christ took on sins in the garden. From your church apostle’s book "The Promised
Messiah," Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, "Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent" (pg. 337). On page 552 of the same book McConkie continues by saying, "In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all men on condition of repentance."
ReplyDeleteAnother church leader, “During a conference speech in 1953, Marion Romney, a member of the LDS First Presidency, stated, "Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he suffered most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but other men had died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either side of him as he died on the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor all men put together, ever suffered what the Redeemer suffered in the garden. He went there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report, October 1953, Pg.35).
This man is saying the greater suffering was in the garden and not on the cross. Has this man ever done research or know what death by crucifixion is like? Death by crucifixion was one of the most painful experiences imaginable. Go here to read about the physical effects (http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/113/
http://www.ethoughts.org/crucifixion_description.htm)
Jesus’ suffering on the cross was far more agonizing than anything most of us will ever have to endure. He suffered physically on the cross and also endured the suffering of His spirit. When Jesus died, the face of God was hidden and He was torn from the presence of God because he was enduring and paying for OUR sins. Christ had enjoyed unbroken fellowship with His Father in heaven from all eternity and faced Hell for us.
I just can’t see how you, your prophets and apostles can say, “there [the garden] is where he suffered the most.” Just from a pure humanistic and sensible way of thinking I think most people would say crucifixion is more painful than sweating drops of blood.
I’m not saying that Christ was not in anguish in the garden. He was. Being God, Christ knew all that was going to happen to him; betrayel by one of his disciples, the flogging and several trials were eminent and he even ask God “Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. (Luke 22:42). He was praying and in anguish over what was about to happen.
ReplyDeleteNowhere in the gospel accounts (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John) do I see it stated he was suffering for our sins in the garden. I think your prophets and apostles have taken great liberty in interpreting that that is the case. Your comments to me back track from your initial blog post when you said, “It is important to understand that the MAJORITY of the Atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane…” So you have be utterly confused me on your waffling beliefs. Was what happened in the garden simply a demonstration of suffering as you say or is it that a majority of the suffering occur there and then was sealed on the cross, or is it as your prophets and apostle say that ALL the sins were suffered for in the garden.
In the end I will go by what the Bible says as it is the correct word of God and is translated correctly and is without error. I realize you being of the Mormon faith that you trust the Book of Mormon and words of your current prophet over anything the Bible has to say. Given that simple fact, I am sure that we will never agree.
I will still like for you to share the links that you talked about.
Cristee, you have done a great amount of research. I would have shared many of those wonderful quotes you shared, as well.
DeleteI feel concerned over your dissection of what I write. I absolutely believe the Bible to be the word of God, so far as it is translated correctly. I also believe in modern-day revelation and in the same organization of the Church that existed on the earth when Christ walked the earth. This means that He has prophets and apostles to whom he communicates via revelation. I believe the words of our prophets of this modern (or latter) day.
My words are my words and/or my efforts at writing in a way that communicates what I know to be true. Saying something with intensity in the first written account of my blog and then attempting to answer you and not using the same words does not, in any way, detract from what I originally wrote. I was simply trying to write in another way to help you gain a better insight into what I wrote. However, since you dissect every word and every meaning, it will nearly be impossible to do.
I believe the Bible and its accounts. I also believe the additional testimony that has been joined with those accounts to allow us a greater insight into Christ's life - since we are followers of His path, I think it is all the more helpful.
Yes, I believe that the Atonement was enacted in two parts: the suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and His crucifixion and ultimately death, on the cross. The suffering that he endured - which I specifically wrote about as Christ taking upon Himself all of our sins, etc - was absolutely an unequivocal part of the Atonement and could not have been done by another individual, but only by the Savior. I will not even begin to trivialize the difference between His suffering on the cross as compared to the Garden of Gethsemane. In some things, simple faith must be enacted. I believe that if I were to constantly live my life requesting others to "show me" or "prove to me" the truth of something, then I leave no room for faith or for the Lord to work.
Please note that I have stated several times that I do believe the Bible to hold an accounting of Christ's life and miracles here upon the earth. So often, people think that we Latter-day Saints (our correct church name) do not believe in the Bible but only the Book of Mormon. It can't be stated any more clear. I have said it. Others have said it. It's on the LDS website. We read it in church lessons. We have it in our homes. We carry them around as missionaries. It is clearly indicated in our Articles of Faith. Members of the church repeatedly bear their testimony of their readings in the Bible. So, please, try to augment or even correct your view of what we as Latter-day Saints believe. I think it will be helpful.
You can still disagree with my blog and what the prophets have said about Christ's suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane, but at least you will have the correct understanding of our use of the Bible.
Thank you again for reading. And I will try to post that final link.
What I wanted to know is what exactly you and your religion believe about Christ’s suffering and death on the cross for our sins. There were 3 differing thoughts and so I am confused at to what Mormons believe.
ReplyDelete1. Was the sweating of blood a just demonstration of suffering?
2. Was the sweating of blood where the majority of the atonement occurred? To me when you say majority I understand that to mean only part of the atonement occurred in the garden and part of it occurred on the cross.
3. Was the sweating of blood where he “he took upon himself the sins of all men on condition of repentance."
Sorry if you are offended by my question for clarification on your religion. I think you called it dissecting. I only ask the question because I was confused by you and your prophets words and only was wanting a clear answer.
You have to believe the Bible to be correct or not. Your faith says it is not and thus the reason for Joseph's revelation of the BOM. Mormons or Latter Day Saints what ever you like to be called only use the Bible to back up the BOM. I must not have been clear in saying that I believe in the words of the Bible only and believe it to be the accurate unchanged word of God. You believe in the Bible, as far as it is translated correctly AND the BOM. The reason I write to you is because you have thousands of Mormon missionaries knocking on doors each day saying they are the one true church. As a Christian I am knocking on your door to say the Bible and the Bible period is the only truth and nothing else. If you really read the Bible and trusted God in his ability to keep his word intact your would know the truth. Investigate the truth of your church, Joseph's Smith many wives, and the 3,913 changes made in the BOM since 1830 (http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm).
You gave me your extensive resume at one time. Given your pedigree you must know that research is an integral part of finding out about a subject matter. I’ve done my research on what your church believes about atonement and got three different thoughts on the matter. Perhaps your link will help clarify? I got into the discussion of atonement with my best friend since childhood who is a very faithful Mormon as well and her belief is even different from what you are telling me. So add a fourth version to the mix.
What I am doing is no different than the missionaries who knocked on my door and told me they were the one true church and that my religion was false. I wasn't offended when they did so and I would like to think that you won't be because I am sharing my faith and letting you know I have the one true God and His unchanged true word. I’ve seen too many friends come out of the myth and maze of Mormonism and find out who God really is by reading and knowing Him through the Bible to not want to reach out to other Mormons and share the truth. As a stranger I am doing nothing different that a Mormon missionary.
Hi Cristee,
DeleteI sincerely apologize for the delay. Life with 4 kids, soccer, scouts and school makes time for other things a little difficult.
So, in researching your questions to me, I came across this answer in a blog post.
Here is the link: http://answeringthecritics.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-mormons-dont-use-symbol-of-cross.html
Now this blog post is on more than the specific point of your question but it does speak to the time spent in Gethsemane and it provides a reference to Robert L. Millet's talk.
There will be other reerences there, as well.
I hope this is somewhat helpful.
Thanks again for sharing!
Thanks for the link. It it confirms and is exactly in line with what your post was saying. “Thus, the cross represents only part of Christ’s Atonement.....but it was not sufficient to pay the price of all the sins of the world. "
ReplyDeleteI was hoping you yourself would give me Bible passages that would support atonment occuring in the garden. I looked up the Mark 14:32-36, Luke 22:39-44 and D&C 19:16-24 that were cited in the article.
As a Christian I believe ALL of sin was paid for on the cross, not PARTLY in the garden and PARTLY on the cross. In Gethsemane, He was ANTCIPANTING the cross; at Calvary, He was actually ENDURING it.
There is no biblical record of Jesus atoning for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. The Garden is where He suffered greatly in prayer because He did not want to go through the coming ordeal of His beating and crucifixion. The agony of the Garden was so intense for Him that He apparently sweat blood (Luke 22:44). But, the only references in the Bible dealing with Christ and the atonement are in reference to the cross, not the Garden of Gethsemane.
Although, I am a busy woman like you I do have the ability to go to my Bible and take time to understand the words in it. What I find are verses that show me God’s word and His words say Christ’s death on the cross is where his bore ours sins on his behalf.
"And, having made peace through the blood of his cross" (Col. 1:20).
“We were redeemed with the precious blood of Christ” (1 Pet. 1:18-19). "Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood" (Rev. 1:5).
Paul did not glory in Gethsemane; He gloried in the cross, “May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.” (Gal. 6:14).
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way, and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all" (Isaiah 53:6). Please notice that this Isaiah passage is quoted in 1 Peter 2:24-25 where it is made clear that Christ's work of bearing the iniquity of us all took place "on the tree."
"Who His own self bore our sins in His own body on the tree" (1 Pet. 2:24). Peter did not preach the Garden; He preached the cross (1 Cor. 1:18; 2:2). Peter did not teach that Christ bore our sins in His own body in the Garden, but on the tree (1 Pet. 2:24).
I believe the words of Bible were written by people who actually saw Christ and walked with him and witnessed His death, resurrection and subsequent ascension into heaven. I believe those words have been protected by God and have not suffered ANY errors from the time they were written until now.
In conclusion, I don’t think we will ever agree on our views because I believe on the correctness of the Bible and you do not. I thank you for taking time to read what I write to you.